uno_due_tre

If anybody would offer cappuccinos or bike parts on this Commonplace, you could spend your allowance to buy them as you normally would do with euros. The real question for me is not "do they have value", but "why people should start using the Commonplace"

agonist72

thanks unoduetre! i'm not totally convinced by your comment, if someone offered something i need (cappuccinos or bike parts) then the coins would have value...that's a big if. i did send you 50 coins for your effort, though, and i do agree, why people should start using the commonplace is something that isnt very clear.

emme

hi, nice question! In the past, you could use commoncoin to participate to things like this one: https://commonfare.net/it/listings/commonfare-call-for-stories-santarcangelo-festival - there will be more call for stories and opportunities to travel to commonfare related events - maybe not for everybody but an interesting option!

agonist72

thanks emme! of course if in future we can travel to commonfare related events using common coin, then the coins WILL HAVE real value. i was not able to travel to SA festival, so although the coins HAVE HAD real value that wasn't available to me. now that commonfare has the possibility to have a group currency, and we started a group...i am still asking (and offering 100 coins for) anyone to convince me that the coins HAVE real value!

emme

hi agonist, if it is a group currency, the real value can be the one determined by the group! an example is the case of Macao, in which people have used a group currency as a tool for collective governance https://commonfare.net/it/stories/macao-centro-per-le-arti-la-cultura-e-la-ricerca - you can find more info on the Macao experience on the project D3.1 http://pieproject.eu/2017/07/03/d3-1-user-research-report-and-scenarios/

agonist72

thanks emme! i'm still not convinced about the value...it seems that any real value of the commoncoin is provided by outsiders and the realworld market economy? do i understand correctly that Macau sells cultural products (concerts, theater productions, performances, exhibitions) that backs the euro value to their coin? also re-reading the personas/scenarios in the pienews document, one scenario suggests the value comes from convincing an "employment law specialist to provide her expertise for free" while another group tries "to create some revenue from the photos by offering them on the private art market." and one scenario intimates that a commoner would be considered more worthy of a loan (from a bank that exists within the real economy) because of their commonfare participation, presumably evidenced by their commoncoin interactions? another of the scenarios has a woman trading coin for second-hand shoes for her kid, but of course someone had initially to buy those shoes from a store. so is the real value of the coin always going to be rooted in the realworld economy?

Elena

Hi everyone. There is a new development in common coin usage. Dyne.org is developing a coin similar to the one we use here on Commonfare to be used in work space created for artists called Treehouse. It is on NDSM in Amsterdam, next to the water and if you want to know more the article is here: https://commonfare.net/hr/stories/treehouse-complex-of-creative-studios-we-want-neighbors-not-tourists?story_locale=en

Anonimno

Save the coins — you will need them ;-)